The emergency measures never should have started to begin with.

This was a frustrating listen. Dr. Shacham kept stumbling over her words, to the point of occasionally saying the opposite of what she meant. She had the stronger case, but she was very poorly-spoken, which is unfortunately just as or more important in a verbal debate. Mr. Tierney, on the other hand, repeatedly claimed that fringe minority scientific opinions represent "the science," while using over-the-top rhetoric. Out of one side of his mouth, he said that anyone who has taken COVID seriously is "fear-mongering," and out of the other side, he claimed that wearing masks causes carbon monoxide poisoning! That's both untrue and physically impossible (granting that he may have meant carbon *DI*oxide, which we exhale, the claim is still untrue). Isn't claiming such blatant misinformation represents scientific fact the very definition of fear-mongering about masks?

I agree that this was the first time I felt the need to comment on one of these debates. I particularly thought the Moderator was incredibly biased in this debate and should either be removed from his moderator duties or at least abstain from moderating debates where he has an obvious bias. John Donvan was incredibly unprofessional with his continuous interruptions of only one of the debaters and his “gottcha” question at the end.

EXPLOSIVE DR. DAVID MARTIN:

THE NAMES AND FACES
OF THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE KILLING HUMANITY

https://rumble.com/vpot5p-dr.-david-martin-who-they-are-the-names-and-faces-of-the-people-who-are-kil.html

From the very beginning
COVID-19 Always Was

A Manufactured Crisis
Utilizing A Laboratory Engineered Virus

To Advance
A Global Depopulation Agenda
A Forced Vaccination agenda
And an agenda of nothing less
Than total global control.

The Global Elite
Intend To Reduce
The World's Population
By 90 Percent
To below 500 Million

By Engineering Pandemics
In the Laboratory
To Unleash Upon the World
To Depopulate the Planet

MAINTAIN HUMANITY
UNDER 500 MILLION
IN PERPETUAL BALANCE
WITH NATURE

DIRECTIVE NUMERO UNO
GEORGIA GUIDESTONES

EXPECT MORE
GLOBAL PANDEMICS!

COVID WAS
JUST THE FIRST ONE
AND THE TEST RUN

I GUARANTEE
THERE WILL BE A NEXT ONE

THIS CERTAINLY
IS NOT THE LAST ONE!

AND THEN THEY
IMPLORE THE WORLD RECEIVE
THAT WHICH THEY
HAIL AS THE CURE

BUT THE TRUTH
IS THIS IS A
CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY
BETWEEN BIG PHARMA,
THE GOVERNMENT,
AND THE MEDIA

TO ADVANCE A BIOWEAPON
ONTO THE WHOLE WORLD
UNDER THE GUISE
OF A LIFE SAVING VACCINE.

IT'S DANGEROUS AND DEADLY.
IT IS EXPERIMENTAL.
IT DOES NOT PROTECT YOU
DOES NOT GRANT IMMUNITY

THIS IS NOT A DEAD
OR WEAK VIRUS BEING INTRODUCED TO THE BODY
WITH THE PURPOSE AND RESULT OF
PRODUCING IMMUNITY

THIS IS AN MRNA INJECTION

Why would anyone receive
Such an experimental injection

When in the event
of adverse reaction or death,

The manufacturers
have been granted
Immunity from prosecution
And are shielded from liability
And cannot be sued!

Do you have any idea
what this really is??

This is a slow-acting
Experimental
Immune System Destroying
DNA-Altering
mRNA Lethal Injection
That Therefore
Renders You
No Longer
Genetically Human
And Is the Devil's Master Plan
To Send The
Whole World
To Hell With Bill Gates.

VACCINATION
CALCULATES
TO PRECISELY 666

WHICH MEANS IF YOU
RECEIVE THIS INJECTION
INTO YOUR BODY

YOU WILL
BE INCINERATED
FOREVER IN HELL

WITH THE DEVIL
AND THE REST OF HIS SHIT!


AND TO YOU UNFIT PARENTS OUT THERE WHO ARE
INJECTING YOUR CHILDREN
WITH THIS BIOWEAPON DOING IRREVERSIBLE HARM

BECAUSE YOU ARE SO STUPID
YOU WERE OBLIVIOUS
TO THE AGENDA
NOW PUT INTO MOTION
TO WIPE OUT 90 PERCENT
OF THE POPULATION
OF THE PLANET.

UNFIT PARENTS WHO
ARE "VACCINATING"
YOUR KIDS AGAINST "COVID-19'

YOUR CHILDREN WILL
SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES
OF YOUR BLINDNESS
AND YOUR OBEDIENCE!!

I do agree that this argument would have been better if it included a panel of individuals, rather than just having two. That said however, I think that it highlights the overwhelming value proposition that comes along with posing any question about COVID mitigation strategies. The disease, and our efforts around it, have become a moral and values-laden measuring stick that complicate conversations around it -- and I think we see this as part of this conversation.

I hope that the team takes up this question again soon, with a larger panel of experts.

Medical professionals wear masks without any ill-effects. Other countries have the culture of wearing masks during flu seasons, without any problems. It is only here in the US where this has become a political point fueled by conspiracy theories, rejection of facts, wilful ignorance, or intentional exploitation of public opinion by politicians looking to whip up its base and win future elections at the cost of health and lives.

Is it really a debate when one side is borderline incoherent? Professor Shacham seemed to struggle to communicate even basic thoughts. Which is a shame because this topic has a lot to sort out. Some of Mr. Tierney’s points seemed farfetched but went completely unchallenged.

I've been listening to IQ2 debates for a long time and this is the first time I've been disappointed (and the first time I've written a comment). I thought Enbal was tongue-tied and often confusing--I didn't feel like the discussion was crisp and well-argued. Re the last question of John Donvan...I live in NYC and I would say for sure that a time to declare an emergency is when the hospitals are overwhelmed. We don't want to turn sick people away or leave bodies in the street, as China did. That would constitute an emergency. I don't know why the panelists couldn't agree on a tipping point. I was disappointed b/c I usually feel like I learn a lot from the presentations, and I was left totally confused by this one. Is there no consensus on the efficacy of mask mandates? Vaccines even appeared to get short shrift. Have we over-reacted or did Enbal just do a very bad job of presenting a public health case?

Of course, IQ2 should support free debate, but there is a difference between debate and spreading disinformation, lies, conspiracy theories like John Tierney did. There are real, measurable, grave consequences to human life and health from those statements, which were debunked so many times during this pandemic. It should have been difficult to challenge John's lies.

Yes, freedom of speech, but lies cannot just go unchallenged.

What's next for IQ2? Provide a platform for racist, anti-semitic, homophobic speech, because of free speech.

If you think this is an exaggeration, fine, should IQ2 provide platform to flat-earthers, people who do not believe in gravity, or in existence of viruses. How about inviting QAnon supporters to talk about lizard people and aliens? That's John Tierney.

Enbal is sick in the head saying that masks aren't harmful in any way. Should we just wear them for the rest of our lives then? Get this bozo out of here