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Michael Brewer
25 May 2020 - 22:30 PM
I'm thinking the name you're searching for might be "confirmation bias." We do this all the time based on our limited range of experientially based understanding. If most of the…
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Erik Mueller
11 January 2020 - 15:14 PM
I continually see a false argument made and I'm wondering if it has a specific name, like "no true scottsman". Person A: "My bicycle got stolen, I should go buy…
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Joseph Psotka
18 December 2019 - 18:37 PM
Bernstein's argument that UBI cannot succeed without increases in taxes is real enough; but we may have no alternative and Taxes on high wealth individuals and companies need to be…
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Joseph Psotka
18 December 2019 - 18:19 PM
The focus on unemployment rate may be quite misguided. What is changing steadily is the workforce participation rate: it has steadily been declining for the last decade, even for women…
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Joseph Psotka
18 December 2019 - 18:10 PM
Bernstein's fears about libertarians corrupting UBI to destroy the safety net is seriously real, but the need for UBI to keep jobless people safe in the face of automation is…
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Bill Harding
12 October 2017 - 18:52 PM
The happiest people in the world are mostly from the Nordic countries. They are the most equitable with regards to money. They mostly have the lowest crime rates. They have…
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Jeremy Anderson
1 August 2017 - 19:43 PM
Your philosophy essentially relies on a few points that must be taken for granted. First, you must believe that people are, at their most basic levels, total scumbags that must…
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Jeremy Anderson
1 August 2017 - 18:50 PM
This topic displays the total indoctrination of america. A universal basic income is the dumbest idea ever. Give a million people 10,000 dollars a year and watch 10 people make…
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alex cast
29 June 2017 - 16:33 PM
I fear the UBI will allow people throw each other way more. I don't agree that we will have a great society where we each push each other to do…
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Charles Karelis
14 May 2017 - 12:01 PM
Mr. Furman tried to put the audience off the UBI by saying that to pay for it by raising taxes would require doubling the income tax. But this is misleading. …
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Jessica :D
27 April 2017 - 22:45 PM
The debaters for the motion failed to explain how they could do it and where the money would come from. The against side kept bringing up that the UBI would…
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Alan Lowrance
20 April 2017 - 21:06 PM
Clarification: Because of rounding my example isn't -6cents each iteration, but does seem that way at first. (6% of $1) + (6% of 0.94) + (6% of 0.88) + (6%…
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Alan Lowrance
20 April 2017 - 20:42 PM
Randy is making the same assumption that the "Against" people were and thinking that every dollar is taxed only one time. But no, it gets taxed every single time it…
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Alan Lowrance
20 April 2017 - 20:29 PM
The "Against" kept touting "basic arithmetic" when it came to generating money to fund the UBI... but they don't seem like they have taken even a basic economics course. Almost…
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Daniel Ziegler
7 April 2017 - 15:21 PM
I went into the debate with some background knowledge of the topic having read a few articles and had some good discussions with friends at all places on the political…
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Calder Amos-Wood
6 April 2017 - 02:17 AM
I don't think it can work wide spread. I think it could work better if implemented in specific areas in need i.e. inner city Chicago or run down mid west…
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bruce k
5 April 2017 - 02:01 AM
Well, those line breaks did not work out very well.
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bruce k
5 April 2017 - 02:00 AM
There is a LOT to learn from what the rest of the world does. In the US we seem to deliberately ignore, look away, pooh-pooh, dismiss, etc ideas from other…
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Trevor Wells
5 April 2017 - 00:02 AM
Bruce K, your response is a rarity these days - I thank you for that as it makes this forum a unique place to exchange ideas. I left a response…
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Trevor Wells
4 April 2017 - 23:55 PM
I am not arguing against a UBI, so I will restrict this to just healthcare.Are the problems with a potential universal healthcare system insurmountable? That is beyond my pay-grade to…
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Patrick Phelan
3 April 2017 - 22:00 PM
Just heard the podcast. Allow me to present these 2 points without judgement on the debate. 1) I have a basic income, as long as the stock market doesn't completely…
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Randy Martin
3 April 2017 - 11:47 AM
Hi Morgaine, I'm curious about your comment and would like to learn more about this inefficiency. At the 100k income level a typical tax return in my state has around…
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Randy Martin
3 April 2017 - 11:28 AM
Do you believe these scaling issues are things that can't be overcome? Please help me and Bruce out and give us a few examples of the types of scaling issues…
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Randy Martin
3 April 2017 - 10:49 AM
Hi Emily, All that's needed to solve that particular problem is math. The against side stated that it this program would cost twice that of our current social security program…
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Charles Carter
3 April 2017 - 03:44 AM
I have not seen any discussion about moral implications, and the morality of the UBI might be the biggest issue. We consider the taking by force of the fruit of…
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Emily Priddy
2 April 2017 - 17:58 PM
Prior to listening to this I was all for UBI. After hearing about how much this would cost, I would need to hear more about where the money would come…
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tc nichols
1 April 2017 - 21:33 PM
I was surprised that the audience was so persuaded by the against the motion panelists. I think it was a relatively equal debate that probably should have ended like it…
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Roberto Duffy
1 April 2017 - 20:58 PM
Hi John and thanks for the update. I saw that and understood it, I see this subject matter as a very complex human interface to understand; yes, there will…
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John Donvan
1 April 2017 - 11:56 AM
Hi again Roberto. In the end, I think Charles Murray got closest to discussing the human element, as you put it. While all four debaters saw the possibility that some…
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bruce k
1 April 2017 - 02:00 AM
Trevor, I apologize if you felt attacked. I did not intend to direct the right-winger label at you personally, but it is a tactic used on discussion boards to make…
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bruce k
1 April 2017 - 01:53 AM
IF you want to leave a carriage return, and white space between paragraphs, type:LT BR GT LT BR GTwhere LT is a less-than character, and GT is a greater than…
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bruce k
1 April 2017 - 01:49 AM
A lot of good posts. If I had to put it in analogy terms, the UBI could be thought ofas an economic turbo-charager. After it gets going we will have…
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bruce k
1 April 2017 - 01:43 AM
One interesting question would be .... who would do that menial work, or does that price of it just go up? If so, it this inflationary, or producing of an…
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Christopher Bonfilio
1 April 2017 - 00:02 AM
This was a good debate, but there are plenty of UBI (or BIG--Basic Income Guarantee) proponents who have done some serious homework on how to implement the UBI financially. The…
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Wayne Spencer
31 March 2017 - 23:42 PM
As a "student" of John Rawls and a senior citizen, I believe that UBI in addition to giving poor people dignity would also allow people to select more creative work,…
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Trevor Wells
31 March 2017 - 21:28 PM
Bruce, the scaling problem is in healthcare, if that was not contextually clear. However, I do not feel that your criticizing my use of the word "might" in scaling problems with…
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bruce k
31 March 2017 - 03:56 AM
Sorry, the part above after "Secondly" was a quote from the post I was replying to. I was trying to mark it in some way, and use italics, but it…
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bruce k
31 March 2017 - 03:54 AM
First, I noticed the thing that irks me about your presentation is that it is all done in decree of what you think things should be. The government is here…
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bruce k
31 March 2017 - 03:42 AM
Might???? Is that supposed to be an argument, or a scare tactic, or a dismissal. There is a very compelling argument Sarah A. made, and all the right wingers…
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Kaiser Basileus
31 March 2017 - 03:10 AM
ok, scratch that. it looked like it worked because it usually does and it does in the text box, but perhaps > br < will work?
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Kaiser Basileus
31 March 2017 - 03:07 AM
Ugh. My formatting got removed.shift+enter does the jobsee?
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Kaiser Basileus
31 March 2017 - 03:06 AM
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Kaiser Basileus
31 March 2017 - 03:03 AM
The only problem i can see with that argument is that it isn't true. "paying people NOT to work" does not represent what a UBI is in any sense. People…
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Kaiser Basileus
31 March 2017 - 02:59 AM
Work is not a positive. The vast majority of work is such that it benefits those who have done nothing but provide capital over those who actually work. Your idea…
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Kaiser Basileus
31 March 2017 - 02:57 AM
The automation of essentially everything is not theory, it's inevitable. Wealth either gets circulated, which means a robust economy, or stockpiled, which results in infinitely recursive inequality. Nobody wants to…
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Kaiser Basileus
31 March 2017 - 02:53 AM
Let's not forget that barely scraping the surface of the "defense" budget could end poverty and hunger WORLDWIDE if we could only find the political will.
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Kaiser Basileus
31 March 2017 - 02:42 AM
The second speaker was logically and empirically incorrect on every single point. I'd call him disingenuous but i believe "liar" is a more correct term. I'd be happy to say…
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Julian Sammy
30 March 2017 - 16:59 PM
Having done analysis on how a UBI could be funded, the economic arguments against it were very unconvincing or just wrong.
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Christopher LaFave
30 March 2017 - 03:07 AM
I'm even more in support after learning of the non-financial benefits: moral agency (by providing the wherewithal to do the right thing and removing the excuse not to) and dignity.
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Matthew Heller
28 March 2017 - 21:15 PM
I'm afraid you're losing me a bit with all the analogies, Bruce. Did you watch the debate? I think the opponents made a very credible argument that UBI would be…
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bruce k
28 March 2017 - 21:08 PM
Matthew, let's assume there are better ways to do all of those things - because of course there always must be, right? There are also better ways to generate electricity,…
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Matthew Heller
28 March 2017 - 20:25 PM
Thanks for the discussion! I think there are better ways to create opportunities, reduce poverty and fight inequality: a fair minimum wage, subsidized education and health care, progressive tax policy,…
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Phil Hahn
28 March 2017 - 18:38 PM
UBI does not make value judgments, everybody gets it, that's the Universal part. The AGAINST plan says "Let's make judgments about people -- no, let's pay this huge beauracracy to…
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Nathaniel DuPhene
28 March 2017 - 17:54 PM
Eliminating current welfare programs and other programs for the poor could save $900 billion/year. A 10% national sales tax would raise $1.6 trillion/year. Scrapping the Cap on Social Security, and…
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Ben Collins
28 March 2017 - 13:32 PM
Mr. Furman's point about the arithmetic seems to be the immovable object. If a UBI would cost $1.8t per year, then it is simply infeasible. Notwithstanding the "soak the rich"…
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Trevor Wells
27 March 2017 - 19:15 PM
Sarah A. Thank you for your insight - different perspectives are very valuable in enlightened discourse. I will point out that one thing left out of your analysis is scale. An engineer…
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Randy Martin
27 March 2017 - 12:33 PM
EDIT: It would be at $95k as an individual and $190k as a couple that a $12k UBI and the additional 2x social security tax would cancel out.
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Randy Martin
27 March 2017 - 12:16 PM
There were perfectly good responses to each of the against sides counterarguments that the pro side didn't seem prepared for. "A dollar going to someone who doesn't really need it…
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Roberto Duffy
24 March 2017 - 16:12 PM
Sarah thank you for the note and sharing your knowledge on Sweden, it is a good thing to learn how other countries live. There are definitely differences between our countries…
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Paul Hutton
24 March 2017 - 07:58 AM
Sarah....I forgot to mention that I have spent a lot of time in Stockholm working with Erickson. And I have made several good friends there. I agree that Sweden has…
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Paul Hutton
24 March 2017 - 07:53 AM
Sarah....Good response to my comment. I am a retired software executive (35+ years) who made presentations to various groups (especially higher education organizations) about the disappearance of jobs. Early on,…
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bruce k
24 March 2017 - 07:23 AM
I am going to test HTML paragraphs here to see if it works.That is putting a less-than BR and a greater than to make a line break after a paragraph.Not…
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Nathaniel DuPhene
24 March 2017 - 07:13 AM
You guys are right on with your comments. The revolution begins at 21stCenturyBillofRights.org which includes Post Office Banking and a Basic Income for Americans paid for with Treasury Dollars. Americans…
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Nathaniel DuPhene
24 March 2017 - 07:10 AM
I suppose you didn't understand the argument that Andy Stern put forth about our CURRENT tax code, which doles out much *more* than $12,000 per year to upper-middle and rich…
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Nathaniel DuPhene
24 March 2017 - 07:03 AM
The entire point of UBI is to give a hand up to those who will use it for the right cause. Most people in UBI studies do the right thing,…
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Nathaniel DuPhene
24 March 2017 - 06:59 AM
Congress cannot be trusted. America must enact a 21st Century Bill of Rights, as constitutional amendments, with Basic Income paid in Treasury Dollars and pegged to a composite of 3…
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Trevor Wells
24 March 2017 - 00:18 AM
I do not think the against side had a good response to the large unemployment over the horizon due to automation, and focused too much on poverty reduction. UBI is…
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Taylor Smith
23 March 2017 - 19:14 PM
Sorry for the wall of text. I swear I typed separate paragraphs. I2, please consider making it easier for people to type paragraphs. It would also be nice if we…
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Sarah A
23 March 2017 - 19:13 PM
I agree, this has merit and we need to have serious discussions about it.What is frightening is that we are heading in the wrong direction for Healthcare, considering millions of jobs will…
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Sarah A
23 March 2017 - 19:11 PM
Hey Paul,I understand and agree with your point, however this discussion is focused on a mass unemployment that is around the corner for us. I'm in the tech industry and currently…
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Taylor Smith
23 March 2017 - 19:10 PM
I find the UBI to be a simple and appealing idea to end poverty. At first thought, I would like to see us pay for it with higher taxes on…
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Paul Hutton
23 March 2017 - 16:30 PM
I believe that those opposed to the motion strengthened and reconfirmed my concerns about simply handing out money, without any strings, will result in any significant improvement to the lives…
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Mary Mangan
23 March 2017 - 14:43 PM
I just opened the news this morning to see this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/new-research-identifies-a-sea-of-despair-among-white-working-class-americans/2017/03/22/c777ab6e-0da6-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.htmlA lot of the people in rural areas are too proud to ask for help. And probably there's a lot of…
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Walter Zielkowski
23 March 2017 - 11:46 AM
I was wondering if there were any way of preventing some sort of pay-day-loan scenario, wherein some individual receiving this steady stream of guaranteed income borrows against that stream for…
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Gregory M. Thomas
23 March 2017 - 06:19 AM
Whilst I am not in favor of purely 'Universal' Basic Income, I believe the concept has merit and does deserve serious consideration.
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Sarah A
23 March 2017 - 05:24 AM
I don't know about you, but that wouldn't be enough for me. Do you only work so you can eat? Everyone I know find dignity in working, food and shelter is…
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John LaBonte
23 March 2017 - 03:05 AM
I felt the against side's argument came off as condescending, and continuously returned to an irreverent argument of Bill Gates.
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bruce k
23 March 2017 - 02:30 AM
I can appreciate your logic.As an aside, I think these Oxford style debates, as they call them, are a tad silly. Pre-voting before the debate merely allows for people who…
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Sarah A
23 March 2017 - 02:21 AM
But we are not even going in the right direction for healthcare. Feels hopeless that we will come up with a practical solution.
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Sarah A
23 March 2017 - 02:19 AM
Roberto, So here is the thing I agree with everything you said about work retraining. I am from Sweden, and I guess in the United States most of my views are…
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Daniel Pedersen
23 March 2017 - 02:05 AM
I voted against the motion because as a debate, I rewarded the side that I feel argued better. It is for the same reason my first vote is always “undecided.”…
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michael churchill
23 March 2017 - 01:32 AM
I agree with you, I don't want to have any incentive to work a $10, 40+ hour a week shift at McDonalds, because I'd rather have that extra time to…
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bruce k
23 March 2017 - 01:16 AM
I hear you. There is a major change coming in human evolution ... to put it in "dreamer" terms! ;-)How we handle that will make the difference in the future…
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bruce k
23 March 2017 - 01:10 AM
First, it is really hardly the true that all poor people, or even very many poor people get free medical care, education and/or food ... where did you get that…
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bruce k
23 March 2017 - 01:03 AM
I should not have said "blathering" ... obfuscating would have been the better word.
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Edward Kmiec
23 March 2017 - 00:55 AM
Poor people already receive free medical care, free education, and free free food (e.g. SNAP). With "free income" there is no incentive to work.
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Daniel Pedersen
23 March 2017 - 00:47 AM
While I agree in principle with the side for the motion, I had to vote against them. I think the side against the motion were better at problematizing the issue,…
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Morgaine Swann
23 March 2017 - 00:46 AM
I agree. We need a Progressive party, not Republican and Republican-lite.
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Mary Mangan
23 March 2017 - 00:40 AM
I think that it's hard to quantify the psychological benefits of this concept, but there's a lot more human ambition and creativity that would be released when the fear of…
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Morgaine Swann
23 March 2017 - 00:38 AM
I think we could save Americans a lot of misery by giving them a Basic Income now.
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Javier Lozano
23 March 2017 - 00:35 AM
Interesting final results. I am still in favor and appreciate the debate today. We'll have more data by the end of this year from actual implementations and experiments.
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William Jamison
23 March 2017 - 00:31 AM
Charles Murray was convincing
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Morgaine Swann
23 March 2017 - 00:17 AM
The amounts I quoted would be in lieu of any other gov't aid.
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Javier Lozano
23 March 2017 - 00:09 AM
Will someone ask the question about taxing robots and AI?
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Mark Ludwick
23 March 2017 - 00:05 AM
I'm pro-UBI but Murray and Stern are doing a terrible job of defending it. Why are they refusing to respond to the obvious arguments and objections from the other side?
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Javier Lozano
23 March 2017 - 00:00 AM
I wish they would spend more time on technological unemployment (TI). Perfect markets and economics are just one way to look at complex systems (society). TI will affect unskilled and…
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tcarb Carbonneau
22 March 2017 - 23:43 PM
Jarod and Jason are the ones who do not appear to understand the math!
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Morgaine Swann
22 March 2017 - 23:32 PM
One thing I learned while working for the government is that paperwork is expensive. At some point in the income scale we are spending more in processing taxes than we…
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bruce k
22 March 2017 - 23:28 PM
Jared Bernstein is a fast talker, but he goes everywhere blathering, except putting together what his premises and arguments really express - that he is arguing that the current poverty…
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Enrique Balp
22 March 2017 - 23:13 PM
Here is Economics Nobel prize winner Joseph Stiglitz advocating for universal basic income, for those who say that "basic arithmetic" doesn't support UBI (he knows his maths by the way)http://basicincome.org/news/2016/12/audio-nobel-laureate-joseph-stiglitz-addresses-ubi-ezra-klien-show/
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Count Melancholia
22 March 2017 - 23:05 PM
It seems to me that most of the things I've done in my life for pay, have been meaningless and could just as well have been left undone or been…
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Enrique Balp
22 March 2017 - 22:53 PM
Basic income should only cover the basics for food, shelter, health and education. Universal income would be a perpetual boost to the economy with a great multiplicative factor, because every…
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Steven Slott
22 March 2017 - 21:49 PM
I do agree Morgaine that as robotics and computers replace more and more jobs in the US that some sort of stipend will be required. Should it be paid for,…
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Morgaine Swann
22 March 2017 - 21:29 PM
You'be got a pretty poor definition of "man" if you think you require work to make you honorable. There are many honorable activities that don't involve money, and those activities…
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Stuart Mark UBI NOW
22 March 2017 - 21:27 PM
We will look back on the world without a Universal/Unconditional #BasicIncome as if it was the dark ages. “Who are YOU to decide if someone has worth, and for that matter,…
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Morgaine Swann
22 March 2017 - 21:21 PM
Those details would have to be negotiated but I want to point out that I believe the amount necessary per citizen would be $1,500 -$2000 per month.
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Morgaine Swann
22 March 2017 - 21:16 PM
American Capitalism is dying and the people at the top of the system know it. Watch the panic with which the upper classes are hoarding wealth and taking it out…
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Steven Slott
22 March 2017 - 20:19 PM
Are you including the $10,000 per annum being paid to incarcerated felons? If someone is being sued for a wrongful death would the money the deceased would have received be included as…
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bruce k
21 March 2017 - 23:59 PM
By the way ... are you using HTML tags to get those paragraph breaks?
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bruce k
21 March 2017 - 23:58 PM
Well, it is fitting that you walked back your work definition. Applying force through a distance is not what gives "man" honor. However, you did not really go far…
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Roberto Duffy
21 March 2017 - 23:16 PM
Bruce, you can find the definition of “work” in the dictionary. In Engineering work is the expenditure of energy for a result (be it translation or expansion); more technically it…
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bruce k
21 March 2017 - 19:19 PM
Clearly in your mind something would change drastically in the world if UBI was instituted. I think mostly it would be called democracy. I agree also with the thinking that…
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bruce k
21 March 2017 - 19:03 PM
Separating the types of income such as investment or earned income seems artificial. In the interests of simplicity and fairness I would suggest constructing a mathematical formula that looks at…
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bruce k
21 March 2017 - 18:57 PM
Please define "work" in that context? That seems like a very loaded concept. Work, as in working for someone? That implies a kind of political hierarchy or owner, employee/slave, or…
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bruce k
21 March 2017 - 18:52 PM
OK, maybe you want to thought experiment this scenario. What happens, which as mathematically proven will happen - by Thomas Picketty - that a super rich segment of society economically…
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BC Shelby
21 March 2017 - 18:19 PM
...Yes please. All my statemnts above were separated and ended up just glommed into one large almost unreadble paragraph.
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BC Shelby
21 March 2017 - 18:15 PM
...considering that: Those in Congress are getting a nice 6 digit salary and golden parachute for being in session half the year and many pretty much doing nothing (good) for…
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Matthew Heller
20 March 2017 - 23:07 PM
I am glad IQ2US chose this topic - not because I think UBI is good policy (IMHO it's rather nutty), but because it's a fascinating thought experiment. I expect the debate…
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Roberto Duffy
19 March 2017 - 15:54 PM
Thank you your consideration and request. I gave this a lot of thought, and boiled it down to a context statement and the challenge question at the end. Feel free…
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John Donvan
17 March 2017 - 18:41 PM
Hello Roberto. Just read your very provocative comment here. I have this question for you: if you could boil down your challenge to the FOR side's argument into one sentence,…
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Roberto Duffy
16 March 2017 - 16:41 PM
031617 Update - After reading all the articles pro and con this debate subject, I found 99% of the only discuss the MONEY aspects of the idea. If the debate…
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Roberto Duffy
12 March 2017 - 05:09 AM
I cannot imagine getting a check from the government because it would be against every principle in my brain. If it is happening in Finland, they must have a lot…
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bruce k
11 March 2017 - 00:00 AM
Oh, ugh, where did all my nice formatting go? How about allowing us to insert lines feeds and paragraphs?
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bruce k
10 March 2017 - 23:59 PM
Although I am FOR the motion and voted yes that the Universal Basic IncomeIs The Safety Net Of The Future, I have reservations enough to be skeptical.The factors that affect…
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Nathaniel DuPhene
4 March 2017 - 02:54 AM
"Taxing robots" is more of a narrative than a real policy proposal. Income taxes on high personal incomes, especially unearned income, need to rise. Unearned Capital Gains need to track…
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Scott Santens
22 December 2016 - 21:29 PM
I have a basic income. It works. It works really really well.http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/11/14/13513066/universal-basic-income-crowdfundOh sure, Scott, but is it affordable to give to everyone?Yes. The net cost after elimination of no longer…
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